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What a big moment in this case! I agree with the killer being male and the suggested age range. He said, ``She was regularly seen walking, skipping and singing in the woods as she made her way each day from her home to the . He stated that I was barking up the wrong tree regarding Harold Jones having killed Muriel and finished by saying Happy Hunting before slamming the phone down on me. left on the coat was compared to D.N.A. Farm Heroes Saga, the #4 Game on iTunes. Importantly, though, the DNA results cleared Hoyles of any involvement in Muriels murder. In mid 2007, I had extensive contact with Detective Constable Paul Rogers of the London Metropolitan Police. For decades, a key person of interest in Muriels murder has been Hubert Hoyles. Vote. However, if it wasnt for Victor Penaluna and D.C. Paul Rogers of the London Metropolitan Police I would have been none the wiser about the Muriel Drinkwater murder. During the course of the investigation the finger of blame had sometimes been pointed at Muriel's father, John. [6] On 27 June 1946, Muriel took the school bus home from Gowerton Grammar School. She goes to grammar school. We could see it [had been] in a police station, but as it closed, where did it go next? The team are still investigating if this has any relevance to the case and are appealing for anyone with information about it to come forward. Born in the summer of 1933, she was the youngest of four children and lived with her parents Percy and Margaret on a small farm called Tyle-Du, near The gym is tucked away in an unsuspecting industrial estate in the Swansea Valley and is run by a world-champion strongman who wants as many people as possible to feel included in his beloved sport. Great questions! In 2007 whilst researching for my 2008 True Crime book Every Mothers Nightmare Abertillery in Mourning, which dealt with the murders of two Abertillery school-girls in 1921, I received a surprise visit from Victor Penaluna, a cousin of the second Abertillery victim Florence Little aged 11. Roll on another 2 months for a denied request. This was no spur of the moment event. "That sounds pompous, but I knew that really he was a simpleton, but I didn't detect any menace in him.". Only the exhumation of Jones body or D.N.A. And the truth will never be known. Martyn Lloyd-Evans again regarding the letter from D.C.Paul Rogers. She was seen by her mother from a distance of 400 yards away, but before Muriel could arrive. The path she walked home on curved in and out of the woods; her mother saw her walking home along the path and into the woods, but not come out again. As part of the investigation forensic evidence has been re-examined and officers have considered theories that convicted murderer Harold Jones was . Some time after speaking to D.S Lloyd-Evans, D.N.A. It blighted my life. For Hoyles, and no doubt numerous other people in Penllergaer,every dollar spent bringing Muriels killer one step closer to justice has been a dollar well spent. The gun was described as aColt 45 American army issue automatic pistol, first issued for World War I but probably also used in World War II, which significantly had the original wooden stocks next to the grip modernised with perspex.. Twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was a choirgirl who dreamed of being a schoolteacher. The gym is tucked away in an unsuspecting industrial estate in the Swansea Valley and is run by a world-champion strongman who wants as many people as possible to feel included in his beloved sport. This was a big news story at the time. I have spoken to former D.C.I Paul Bethel and given him this information. She had been attacked on the lane and then she was dragged to where the body was left.". Nevertheless, the FBI was called in to assist with determining the ownership of the murder weapon, but nothing seems to have ever transpired from this lead. Muriel was skipping through the woods on the afternoon of June 27, 1946, as she did every day on her way from school, when the summer's afternoon turned to tragedy. Despite their inve. They pieced together evidence from the time, used new forensic breakthroughs and links to other cases in the area to identify who they think murdered Muriel in the most horrific way. Are you able to tell me if her father has been cleared via DNA profiling?. "Due to advances in forensic technology we have been able to look again at evidence from the murder in 1946 and I am now able to rule him out completely as a suspect in this case. He clearly wasn't very bright, and there's evidence that you see of overkill with Muriel Drinkwater's case as well.". You can Google ones in your area or check out Twitter (but I recommend checking their credentials). After discussing this development with Muriels niece, myself, Muriels niece and a number of of her nursing friends came to the same conclusion that if Jones daughter isnt his biological daughter then Jones could not completely rule out Jones as a suspect. Click here to hear the Audio File of this case. 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"South Wales Police has had considerable success with cold case reviews being one of the first forces in the country to set up a review team in 1999 to conduct cold case reviews. I appealed that decision and was then informed that as the information I requested was kept in paper format in various locations in South Wales then it would be too costly and time-consuming to check out so the request was denied. She was seen by her mother from a distance of 400 yards away, but before Muriel could arrive home she was murdered. There was a camp a mile away in Grovesend. In a Welsh village during the summer of 1946, a 12-year-old girl is brutally murdered. The police have a Y-STR profile from Muriels coat. Have a great week! Muriel Drinkwater was raped and shot dead as she walked home from a school bus in Penllergaer, Swansea, Serial killer Harold Jones (pictured as a 15-year-old) killed two young girls when he was just 15 and was jailed for 20 years. All the best with pursuing answers in this case, and please keep us updated. (My belief now is that the suspect he referred to was Hubert Hoyles who as a 13 year-old boy had come into contact with Muriels family shortly before her murder. Muriel was seen at 2:30PM, singing as she exited the school bus. [12][13], For more than a decade, Welsh true crime author Neil Milkins theorised that notorious child murderer Harold Jones (19061971) was responsible for the murders of both Martin and Drinkwater. Chief Inspector Bethell aptly explains, Re-opening the case is as much about proving who didnt do it, as who did. Remember that Hoyles was suspected of Muriels murder for decades and lived under a cloud suspicion that followed him everywhere he travelled in his small village. Police records from the time show that Muriel's mother was the last person to see her alive. The Welsh policehave also examined connections between Muriels case and a second murder that occurred a mere ten days after she was killed. Muriels nieces family took the books to the bookshop after Muriels brother-in-law died last year. Interesting insights! Psychic Diane Lazarus Investigates Muriel Drinkwater Murder - YouTube 0:00 / 21:56 Sign in to confirm your age This video may be inappropriate for some users. Her killer has never been caught and it remains among the most notorious unsolved murders in Welsh history you can read more of them here. Video, 00:00:42Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble, Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race. Her mother seen her approaching 400 yards away, so perhaps she was a selected victim. In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect was extracted from her clothes, possibly the oldest one in the world to . ', Glamorgan Police and men of the 169th Bomb Disposal Unit make a break for a meal during their search for evidence after her murder on June 27, 1946, Jones, originally of Abertillery, South Wales, is a suspect in the killings of six women in London in the 1960s. Neil Milkins. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. profiling cleared Hubert who stated he had long been suspected by some locals of being the murderer and was happy to clear his name.). Was a local stalking Muriel? Muriels niece is in a dreadful state. Muriel Drinkwater murder: Who killed 'Little Red Riding Hood'? This forensic approach is becoming more common. Hi Nicola. "We realise whoever did this might be dead, but if he is alive and in his 80s or even 90s we would like to see him behind bars," said Muriel's great-niece Claire Phillips, speaking about developments last October. Joseph James DeAngelo, the suspected Golden State Killer, The real waking the dead: This schoolgirls savage murder has mystified police for 62 years. 4th daughter born to Lilian and Charles Herbert Irvine in Liverpool. A familial DNA profile was extracted using a technique called Y-STR, but no match was found in the national DNA database. Just a few weeks short of her 13th birthday, Muriel had been beaten on the crown of her head with an object, raped and then shot twice in the . ~ Christine. The case became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder. Talk about a case hitting close to home for you! Her name was written in copper plate, Muriel J Drinkwater, and they were examined by the forensic expert who did some incredible work for us, and was able to find this full crime stain on the back of Muriel's little school mac. Hoyles lamented, For years, Ive lived with the knowledge that some people in the community suspected me. It was also tested against the DNA of one Harold Jones, a convicted double child murderer who slayed two similarly young girls in Abertillery in the 1920s, to see if he might be the perpetrator. Moments before being brutally attacked, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater had waved to her mother, who stood at the kitchen window, as she made her way home from Gowerton High School along the long path that led to the family home. Then for 3 years he was registered at Colinette Road Putney as Harry Stevens. Read about our approach to external linking. Thanks again! Police are closer than ever to finding her killer. She was singing . Detectives to revisit unsolved murder. Her mother later went to the village to look for her when she did not return home; more than a dozen men from the area began a search. Play it now! South Wales Police said: "All historic murder cases, often referred to in the media as cold cases, are allocated to the Specialist Crime Review Unit and remain under active consideration and will be subject of re-investigation as and when new information is received or when there are advances in forensic science. Her mother was in the kitchen and . taken from one of Jones many nieces or nephews in Wales would prove conclusively if Jones was or was not Muriels killer. Twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was a choirgirl who dreamed of being a schoolteacher. Video, 00:01:18, Record numbers of guide dog volunteers after BBC story, WATCH: Key moments from PM's NI Brexit deal speech. "And we know, even though it had been 60 years since it went into storage, that it is hers. They never recovered. taken from Jones one and only child, a daughter. We are hoping to make a BBC documentary (follow on from Dark Son) to see if we can shed any new light on the case. Are you able to help please? Or was she just in the wrong place at the wrong time? Just before his execution, Harries gave an extraordinary interview to the tabloid press from his jail cell. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Regards. Two other specific persons of interest have been put forward. Thank you for sharing this detailed update on Muriels case with the community. Her body was eventually found in a nearby lane, but it was the discovery of her handkerchief in the shops shed which saw Jones accused and stand trial for her death. The killer was dubbed Jack The Stripper because of the way he left his victims. Why on earth would the police continue to stonewall after all these decades? DNA was taken from the relatives of both Muriel and Ronnie Harries but the results have not been made public. On 28 June 2021, I sent the following Freedom of Information Request to South Wales Police. ~ Christine. We got a partial profile, given that it was the oldest cold case with a semen stain on it that we had been working on.". It truly is baffling and I cant help but wonder what they are trying to hide (and why!). request regarding the unsolved murder of 12 year-old Muriel Drinkwater near Swansea in June 1946. Despite a number of leads and suspects, police have not been able to identify her killer. Sometime later that afternoon, Muriels mother Margaret glanced out of her kitchen window and noticed Muriel approaching their property from approximately 400 yards away. Will do Christine. The team also uncovered a book that had once belonged to Muriel but was found in a Carmarthen charity shop. The True Crime Files I then appealed that decision and was shocked to be told that the information I requested had been eaten by vermin or had been damaged owing to a leaking roof. The murder of Muriel Drinkwater is an unsolved 1946 child murder case from Wales. Hi Sherlock. The Photo Request has been fulfilled. "I found the original clothing," he said. I have a special interest in this case as I too was brought up in Penllergaer. Muriel Drinkwater was a young Welsh schoolgirl. Video, 00:02:56Detectives to revisit unsolved murder, Tears of relief after man found in Amazon jungle. OnJune 27, 1946, twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater made her way home from school inPenllergaer, Swansea. But he was later released and served in World War II before his military career ended in 1946. This will conclude a 10 year wait to see if Jones was indeed Muriels killer. However in 1965 he was registered as Harry Stevens in Putney AND at the same time he rented a property in Aldensley Road Hammersmith and was also registered but using the name Harry Jones. He could not be placed at the scene, and the DNA ruled him out of the investigation. 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Police believed 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater might have been a victim of a known serial killer when she was raped and murdered in 1946. A different D.C.I. The comments below have not been moderated. In the days and weeks that followed Muriel's murder, police officers visited every farmhouse and cottage within 150 square miles, along with interviewing 20,000 men in Swansea, Aberdare and Carmarthenshire. On June 27, 1946, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater made her way home from school in Penllergaer, Swansea (UK). Jones was ruled out at the beginning of May, 2019. As manager of this memorial you can add or update the memorial using the Edit button below. On 30 March 2010 the Times Online quoted an unnamed police source with South Wales Police as saying: We have a real problem with amateur sleuths in this area. I personally think whoever did it was a true psychopath and he would probably of done something like it before and has done other crimes since. MLS breaks attendance records on the opening weekend of the new season as both Charlotte and Atlanta welcome over 67,000 fans - more than the average crowd at 13 NFL teams! In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect . Sorry I doubled up on some of the above but cant edit it. The police think that Hoyles, who as mentioned above passed Muriel on her way home, encountered Muriels killer weeks before her death. Dear Sir/Madam. "Given the sheer level of violence that he inflicted on his own relatives, I can't quite believe that this would be the first instance of his violence.". Posted by 8 minutes ago. Neil. But in 2003, when the case was reopened for review, forensics experts had a major breakthrough when they found a semen stain on Muriel's coat. . Sometimes the rumours and suspicion in these unsolved cases does almost as much damage to the community as the crime itself. "This was a terrible, terrible crime that someone has got away with for too long. On this podcast episode, we cover the unsolved cold case of Muriel Drinkwater. It is now more than 70 years since the 12-year-old schoolgirl was brutally raped, battered around the head . [5], Muriel Joan Drinkwater was the youngest of four daughters born to John Percival and Margaret (ne Morgans) Drinkwater. I can be contacted at [emailprotected] or via Facebook messenger. It is currently one of the oldest active cold cases in the UK. In the days and weeks that followed, police officers visited every farmhouse and cottage within 150 square miles, along with interviewing 20,000 men in Swansea, Aberdare and Carmarthenshire. I personally think it was someone still in the area from the Second World war. They have a suspect in the murder case and a cousin of the suspect has given D.N.A to prove whether or not the cousin Ron Harries was the killer. [18] The public can no longer access the Drinkwater files by Freedom of Information Act requests or in person at the archives office in Kew. Photo added by Graceti. The police statement that Jones was ruled out is a misleading statement. Muriels niece Margaret is desperate to get the books back. Hi Neil. programme called Crime Secrets presented by H.T.Vs Jonathan Hill. Ms Drinkwater was seen by her mother in the distance. Martin well remembers a young girl who was "always full of life" and would always be skipping and singing. Some companies will provide you with upto 6 generations. Accountant Graham Wildin built an incredible 10,000sq/ft leisure complex - which has a bowling alley, casino, a cinema and more - at the back of his home. [8] Scientists successfully retrieved a DNA profile from this stain. The hardest part then was actually finding the materials," he told the documentary. The reason given for sealing the files was that it could help the police catch the perpetrator. I contacted Detective Superintendent Martyn Lloyd-Evans (now retired) of South Wales Police by phone and had a friendly conversation with him about Victor Penalunas suspicions. Those who have not failed may not have succeeded. Swansea 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater, who was shot after being sexually assaulted in 1946 Now, a team of former detectives and crime experts have re-investigated the case, dubbed the 'Little. Thought to be one of the oldest pieces of crime scene evidence in the world, it was initially used to rule from suspicion someone who had been spotted close to the woods on the afternoon Muriel was attacked. On June 27, 1946, 12-year-old Muriel made her way home from school in Penllergaer, Swansea (UK). The perpetrator left cigarette stubs, sweet wrappers, and pieces of bread at the scene of the crime, which the authorities have said indicates that he was waiting in the dense woods for his chance to strike. Its her birthday tomorrow, and still no closer to finding her killer. Although the decision was made immediately it took nearly 7 weeks until 16 August 2021 to get a formal decision. Why? Its amazing the documentary could screw things up so much. Up Next. Jones and his wife Muriel hid a lot of secrets from their daughter and one of these secrets may have been Jones wasnt her father. Casey DeSantis says Ron looked like Tom Cruise in his white Navy uniform when then got married at Disney: Florida's First Family says venue was an 'ironic' choice, Ron DeSantis claims former Disney CEO Bob Chapek privately complained to him about the 'pressure' he was under from woke Left to wade in on Florida's 'Don't say gay' bill. Thanks again for sharing this. So with that revelation the re-opened inquiry could have cost 15 million or more as did the Gwent Police inquiry into the disgraced former Abertillery care home owner Dr Dana Pras. Todays' video is about the true crime story of the unsolved murder of 12 year old Muriel Drinkwater in 1946. "(The murder) turned our family upside down and has been talked about through the generations. Fifteen days later, Jones murdered 11-year-old neighbour Florence Little too, hiding her body in the attic of his parents' home. The coat had been lying forgotten in police storage for decades but after much searching was found by retired DCI Bethell's cold case team and is thought to be one of the oldest pieces of crime scene evidence in the world. Drinkwater, a 12-year-old schoolgirl, was raped and shot in the woods in Penllergaer, Swansea. Video, 00:00:42, Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble, Watch Kate beat William in spin class endurance race. Hoyles told police that the man looked terribly stern and had a local accent. Although this person of interest could have just been out for hike or involved in some other unrelated nefarious activity, the authorities believe that he may have been in involved in Muriels murder. Swansea 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater, who was shot after being sexually assaulted in 1946, Officers searching the farmland in the days after the murder, Muriel's schoolmates with flowers for her grave, A picture of the gun police believe was used, Harold Jones, a convicted child killer who was also a suspect in Muriel's killing, Ronnie Harries, the last man to be sentenced to death in Carmarthen, The book that was found in a charity shop. More recently, however, it was tested against the DNA of one Harold Jones, a convicted double child murderer who slayed two similarly young girls in Abertillery in the 1920s, to see if he might be the perpetrator. Although the profile was loaded into the UK National DNA Database, it failed to match any of the approximately five million DNA records held there. Pinterest. Forensic historian Nell Darby found similarities in the case of Muriel Drinkwater and the later Ronnie Harries farmhouse murders in old newspaper articles from the time. Also, as I understand matters, members of Muriels family have given DNA samples to ascertain whether Muriels father may have killed her. Who sodomises a 12 year old girl and batters her about the head, then shoots her twice in the chest? Video, 00:01:00At the crash site of 'no hope' - BBC reporter in Greece, Dog found alive after 23 days under rubble. He also fixates on the fact that he is married to a younger woman, that she is five years younger than him, that she started going out with him when she was still in school. Detective Chief Inspector Mark Lewis, head of the Specialist Crime Review Unit said: 'The results of the forensic examination categorically confirm that Jones was not responsible for the murder of Muriel Drinkwater. 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